Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Oregon Supreme Court Limbo

How low can we go?

Despite over 80% of bank owned inventory in the Portland area sitting on the sidelines, and despite our neighbors to the North deciding that MERS was a bankster sham...the verdict for Oregon property title/deed/chain of custody rights hangs in the balance of a still pending supreme court decision.

You can bet your sweet bippy that there is plenty of arm twisting going on from blue jean/cowboy boot wearing Kitzhaber on down through the legislature to make things go 'smoothly' for the big banks back East. Kroger (who sold out to the mortgage fraud settlement) is gone as attorney general, but it remains to be seen if Ellen Rosenblum will play ball with the big banks, or uphold the rule of law locally.

What would happen to home prices in the area if all of the shadow inventory were unleashed on the 'free' market? Would savers be rewarded and debtors be punished? Sounds too much like a free market...

Meanwhile, as it always does over time, the 'free market' moves forward in a steadfast manner courtesy of the Oregon Business Report:

"Titles may now be in doubt for people who bought properties either at a foreclosure sale or further along the line. Also, no market may exist for these properties if title insurers choose not to insure titles until there is some clarity. Going forward, will MERS lenders do business in Oregon? And if so, at what cost? Loans may be more expensive to administer because they either require that all assignments be documented and recorded or foreclosure via the more expensive judicial method. As such, loans in Oregon could demand higher interest rates.

Courts will see a sharp increase in the number of judicial foreclosure filings; it’s happening in Multnomah County already. An already overcrowded judicial system will gain additional burdens."

So are we to restore "certainty" and "sanity" to our real estate markets? Is it worth higher interest rates to have the title/deed recorded properly through the local county authority as has been done for hundreds of years? Or is it clearly imperative that title assignments be handled by Wall St and that home prices keep going "up" regardless of real wages? Heaven forbid that all assignments be documented and recorded locally?!?!?

Where would you rather have your land claim be recorded and heard in court?

A.) With the local county clerk's office

B.) With Wall St / DC sanctioned MERS?








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Anonymous

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Is it local?





Anonymous

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Did anyone else read the Eliot Njus article a couple days ago describing what market subsets are now drying out? I can't find it online, but it had a bunch of interesting numbers.

Here's another Njus article of interest, August had the highest volume of RE transactions in 5 years.
http://www.oregonlive.com/front-porch/index.ssf/2012/09/home_sales_soar_in_august_afte.html

-- Moneypits





Anonymous

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Ah, here it is.

http://www.oregonlive.com/front-porch/index.ssf/2012/09/15000_fewer_portland-area_home.html

"15,000 fewer Portland-area homeowners 'under water,' report says"

So, as of April 1, there were 103,000 homes underwater in Greater Portland.

As of July 1, there were only 87,000 under water, and 26,000 with less than 5% negative equity.

So, a sizeable number of those are now above water, as the market appreciated in July and August.

These numbers illustrate how Portland's "underwater" properties are really not much of a problem relative to sunbelt cities. If markets rise an additional 5% from July 1 (which they're well on their way to doing), then we'll only have 60,000 properties underwater, down from 103,000 properties just six months ago.

This will mean that nearly all Portlanders are free to sell their homes and move, for better jobs, better neighborhoods, downsizing, etc.

This will certainly help Portland remain competitive, relative to other western cities like Sacrament, Las Vegas, Phoenix, LA, etc., where folks are stuck in their houses because they're deep underwater.

Moneypits





Anonymous

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There is a large inventory of houses still to hit the market and the economy is still barely growing. There has been a small bounce on the housing prices since the banks have been holding back on duping the hidden inventory. I would expect housing prices to be flat or lower a year from now, no matter who wins the election. And then there is the effect of inflation eating away home values. Time will tell, but it all looks very risky to me.





Anonymous

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"This will certainly help Portland remain competitive, relative to other western cities like Sacrament, Las Vegas, Phoenix, LA, etc., where folks are stuck in their houses because they're deep underwater."

Competitive for WHAT? Higher Housing costs? More 'competitive' for realtors to chase higher commissions?

Room in that cloud for ME? Lower housings costs mean employers would be able to pay lesser wages in order to have a shot at being ACTUALLY competitive in the global wage arbitrage war.

High res. RE prices is why there's no new tech startups in the Bay Area. They're all gravitating toward the towns you just dissed. Where meaningful, employment driven recovery can Lord willing, take hold.

DinOR





Anonymous

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@DinOR

You're incorrect about the Bay Area, which is not surprising, because you seem to do very little research.

http://www.sfgate.com/business/bottomline/article/Unfilled-jobs-push-high-tech-hiring-engine-to-max-3379441.php





Anonymous

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Moneypits has a great grasp of microeconomics. Macro, and its effect on micro? Not so much.





Anonymous

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Meh.., if you want to work for 'Twitter' and live in 400 s/f studio, knock yer' self out:

"When most people think of tech jobs hot spots, they think of the Silicon Valley, but the New York City/New Jersey area had the most tech openings among U.S. metro areas as of May 1, reports Dice, the job search engine.

The Silicon Valley, with 5,620 tech openings, only ranked third behind the greater New York area (9,005) and Washington, D.C./Baltimore (8,063).

California also wasn’t at the top in year-over-year tech job growth. **DALLAS** led the metro areas with 24% more openings than in May of last year.

Seattle was second with a 23% increase and the Silicon Valley was third with 21% more jobs than a year ago.

The greater Los Angeles area, which includes Orange County, was in the middle of the pack with 3,267 openings, a 5% year-over-year increase."

http://economy.blog.ocregister.com/tag/silicon-valley/

Hey don't get me wrong. I'm tickled things are finally... picking up for the BA. That's the funny thing about 'research', it takes all of 30 seconds to find a contra opinion. I was referring more to shoestring, angel money type start ups but...

DinOR





Anonymous

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Eliot Njus? You mean the same Eliot Njus posting as "Moneypits"?





Bishop

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All of Moneypit's nonsense means nothing as long as the banks are holding on to 80% of Portland's inventory.

Get back to us once Portland has a healthy housing economy again.





Anonymous

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Bishop,

And while this is obviously the PDX RE Blog, we've got problems all across the state, echo-bubble markets and throughout the region. Like affordability.

In reviewing the happy, happy good time SF Chron art. linked above, it looks less substantial all the time. There were almost equal portions of "looking for good people", would like to 'add' and other You Just Can't Get Good Help These Days fluff we've all heard before.

Actual 'hiring', not so much? Free advertising for local tech co's. Still, we're surprised there hasn't been the disbursement to lower cost areas ( the big selling point ) the 'promise' of the internet brought.





Anonymous

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OT, but totally curious, now that it's winding down ( and we hope for more ) how would everyone RATE the summer!? I mean weather-wise.

I'll start it off by saying, somewhat to vastly improved. We have acceptance Sept. may be a wash after yet another Juneuary. No doubt JUNE sucked it big time but thus FAR, Sept. has delivered.

Gotten to a point where it didn't seem possible they could get any 'worse' so I may be over estimating the upside green shoots here. Even sunny thru LD is considered an upside surprise.

DinOR





Anonymous

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Just like the housing market: feels warm, looks nice, but there is a lot of rain ahead of us. V







Anonymous

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"a lot of rain ahead of us"

Couldn't for the LIFE of me figure that out. The cr@ppier our weather got, the shorter the summers became, the more expensive homes got!

This September ( for more recent transplants ) was entirely typical for a long long time here. Can't speak for others but I found my whole extended family just, more agreeable, in-sync the longer Summer soldiered on. No more pulling in sep. directions, for a change.

When you're only dealt a handful of decent weekends, it puts a lot of pressures on couples as to 'whom' gets to pick the activities/festivities. One spent indoors only to have Summer collapse the following can make for real resentment come Feb. The key must be, we'll switch over to ____ once it starts to rain. Til then!?

Just curious, hope everyone made the most of it.

DinOR





Anonymous

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No rain in the Rogue Valley since June, and very few days under 90. Better than the desert in summer, but day after day after day of glaring sunshine gets to be a bit much after a while (kidding, of course).

We're going into mid-90s for highs again for a few days. Would like to see some rain though, as the fire danger is high. But all in all, a very nice, albeit long, hot, summer down here. People seem happy in the Rogue. Nice place. Great weather. One day recently it was 93 in Medford and 63 in Portland. But in my opinion, sun is more important than temperature.

--Movedbackwest





Anonymous

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Yeah, sun is nice, but you're not close-in in Medford.
Nothing compares to being close-in to Portland (chuckle).

Poboy





Anonymous

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Poboy: Hadn't thought about that. Never seem to hear about "inner" Medford, or "inner" Ashland, or close-in Jacksonville.

As DinOr likes to say: "Close-in to what?"

--Movedbackwest





george

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rogue valley really does have an amazing climate. i've been looking at getting some land out in umpqua. its in a nice warm winter spot, classified USDA zone 9.

my grand theory here with rural real estate is buying land in the best location with the worst access to utilities. in the next 10 years i think off the grid technology is going to take serious leaps and being far from utilities will no longer be much of a liability.





Anonymous

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George,

It may not be a case of "serious leaps" necessarily in the technology, but there will be serious leaps in -acceptance- of perfectly good existing technology.

The recent Green Boondoggles have shown there's nothing new or tangible on the immediate horizon. It's low tech approaches that show the most urgent promise. Water catchment, well re-charging, purple water and one-lung diesel generators.

I absolutely agree w/ your general premise and if you look at raw land, after an immediate collapse, much as was seen in dimensional lumber, prices have already bounced back. Largely b/c they do NOT have an unsellable white elephant/McMansion burden sitting on them. It's a clean slate!

DinOR





george

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i think a few things will be taking leaps in price/performance but as you said, many things will just be more widely available.

composting toilets, heat pump water heaters, backup generators, nothing too crazy going on there.

i can foresee solar cells and batteries taking some leaps though. i guess we'll all find out in 10 years.





Anonymous

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George,

Very true, we've no idea what the next decade will bring, but after the Chinese ( w/ slave labor and NO pesky env. regs ) couldn't make SP's work..? At least at the retail level.

The frustrating part is, just as our farming heritage learned, what works for your farm may not be the right choice for me, just a few counties or even MILES away.

Folks I've spoke w/ that took that on found "It became like running your own "utility company". Lots of upkeep. Yet I'm not saying it's never been worth pursuing!

From what MovedBackWest describes, solar and the Rogue would go hand in hand. But notice, even in the dark hours, they weren't giving raw acreage away down there. Doesn't THAT speak volumes?

DinOR





george

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off the grid technology seems to always be on the cusp of some breakthrough that never happens.

but news like this is exciting:
http://www.tus.ac.jp/tlo/english/technology/detail_03.html

perhaps in 10 years you could have a salt battery array about the size of an old oil tank in your basement. use solar to charge it during the day and then a propane version of one of these:

http://www.clearedgepower.com/residential/fuel-cell-power-generator

sitting next to it. you'll want propane for your stove anyway.

so yea, if all that could be installed for $20k or so... not too bad.





Anonymous

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George,

What I've found ( in using the tracking ledger PGE provides ) is your consumption SPIKES first thing in the morning as people wake up.

Coffee maker, shower, microwave, lights and fans/heater etc. demand goes thru the roof! But then something odd happens, other than laundry, the TV and computer, there's little demand during the day. NONE if both spouses work outside the home.

Any sys. we'd consider would primarily be designed to meet that peak demand. But I'd suggest, if this is your ret/2nd home, like retirees often say; "EVERY day is a Saturday!" People sleep in, breakfast migrates toward 'lunch' and things s-l-o-w d-o-w-n.

Granted, I've known some retirees whose idea of 'conserving' is to wear the same grungy coveralls for months on end, but somehow I'm not picturing my wife buying in to that program?

And ( as we discussed S. OR ) if the weather is nice at all, you should be spending the majority of your day outside!

DinOR





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